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midjourney: people

david holz and the people around midjourney — the leap motion cofounder, the staff and advisors, and the community that writes the record.

the people

david holz (founder, davidsHolz): founder — he prefers it over ceo: 'ceo sounds very businessy, and we're not very businessy. we're an applied research lab that makes products.' southern florida tinkerer; a high-school microphone-array project took him to isef 2006 (he lost 'to somebody who cured a disease'). physics and math at unc, an applied-math phd he left while doing nasa langley and max planck research; then twelve years at leap motion — cofounder, cto through the 2019 ultraleap sale — before starting midjourney in august 2021 to escape 'a big venture-backed company.' runs near-weekly wednesday office hours on voice with ~1,000 listeners; society for science trustee. (sources: an engine for the imagination, we're already profitable, the consent answer, holz 23, florida tinkerer, isef mic project, unc/nasa/max planck, waic remarks)
michael buckwald (co-founder): the leap motion cofounder — holz's friend since middle school in florida, ceo through the controller launch, the collapsed apple talks, and the 2019 sale to ultrahaptics, at which point he departed. he is not a midjourney founder; he belongs to the prehistory. (sources: founding story, ~$30m sale, ocuspec history, rounds, acquisition)
ahmad abbas (team): head of hardware, joined december 2023 (revealed february 2024) — ex-apple vision pro engineering manager (~5 years), ex-neuralink (~9 months), ex-leap motion (~4 years). the team's early focus was 3d data capture; 'orb' was the reported project nickname. the program culminated in the june 2026 midjourney medical / scanner reveal. (sources: ahmad abbas hire, corroboration, head of consumer hardware, hardware team launch)
max kreminski (team): head of the storytelling lab — leads patchwork, the multiplayer infinite-canvas worldbuilding research preview launched december 2024: the first public artifact of the world-model agenda. (sources: max kreminski, storytelling lab, patchwork launch)
banu güler (team): chief design officer by august 2026 — co-star co-founder and longtime holz friend; surfaced publicly co-hosting office hours with duncan wilson while holz was away. (sources: banu güler cdo)
duncan wilson (team, nacnud): web team lead — co-hosted the august 2026 office hours covering v8.1 draft mode and site-redesign items in alpha. (sources: banu güler cdo)
the 2022 roster (team): the archived about page listed eleven full-time people: holz as executive; research & engineering as first names only — daniel, max, jack, thomas, red, sam, nadir, sebastian; legal & finance as max sills (legal advisor) and nadia ali. alongside them, ~40 volunteer discord moderators and guides listed by handle. the names are confirmed by the archived page; current roles are not. (sources: the 2022 about page (cached), second mirror of about page)
the advisors (team): the 2022 about page's advisor list: jim keller (lead silicon at apple, amd, tesla, intel; cto tenstorrent), nat friedman (ex-github ceo), philip rosedale (second life founder), bill warner (avid founder — and a 2011 ocuspec angel), and katherine crowson — the independent researcher whose clip-guided diffusion is the work holz says 'struck my eye' in 2021. everydev additionally lists daniel gross; weaker sourcing. (sources: the 2022 about page (cached), nat friedman advisor, advisors incl, ocuspec $1)
the aggregator roster (team): rocketreach and everydev list current execs — nadia ali (coo), sharmeen chapp (cpo), tom calloway (vp special projects), alex matzner (vp operations), max sills (general counsel), bhavin patel (head of finance), brian kappus (technical director), keith caskey (principal mechanical engineer). aggregator data — reported, not verified; the org chart is one of this dossier's open gaps. (sources: exec titles (reliability caveat), advisors incl)
the community bench (team): non-employees who carry the news: nick st. pierre (@nickfloats), the evangelist whose relays first surfaced the stability ban; alie jules; and the recap writers — henrique centieiro, brian sykes, daniel reiser's imagine weekly, 'enthusiastically midjourney' weekly, paul delsignore. community coinage: 'miss journey,' the recurring default female face in early models. (sources: nick st, an engine for the imagination, office-hours recap, banu güler cdo)
the lab's own voice (team): the company writes collectively — the about page's 'independent research lab' self-description, the updates-site release notes (named author of most posts: 'caleb'), the livestreamed reveals. institutional voice, not personal authorship. (sources: the 2022 about page (cached), community-funded research lab of 60 people, v7 default)

writings

2012-05-24 — the first profile (interview, holz, bloomberg businessweek): 'david holz's leap motion wants to kill the mouse' — the first national profile: holz 23, the florida tinkerer, the isef microphone project. source
2013-06 — the leap founding story (interview, holz, inc.): the inc. founding story — two 30-pound backpacks, a radio-shack prototype, and $45m raised for hand tracking. source
2022-08-01 — already profitable (interview, holz, the register): the register's claburn gets the business model on record a week before open beta went wide — self-funded, already profitable, and a credit to katherine crowson's clip-guided diffusion as the work that caught his eye. source

"we're like a self-funded research lab. we can lose some amount of money. we don't have like $100 million of somebody else's money to lose. to be honest, we're already profitable, and we're fine."

2022-08-02 — an engine for the imagination (interview, holz, the verge): james vincent's canonical profile — 'an engine for the imagination,' the dog→pink dog→aztec space dog co-imagining anecdote, ai-as-water, 'aesthetic accelerationism,' miss journey, and the first on-record training-data candor: 'everyone grabs everything they can… and they kind of set it on fire to train some huge thing.' source

"cars are faster than humans, but that doesn't mean we stopped walking… we see this technology as an engine for the imagination." "people totally misunderstand what ai is. they see it as a tiger… water is dangerous, but it's also a driver of civilization… we're making surfboards rather than making water." "in 10 years, you'll be able to buy an xbox with a giant ai processor, and all the games are dreams."

2022 — how computers dream (podcast, holz, what future): 'how computers dream with david holz' — joshua topolsky's what future; the dreaming-machines frame before 'slop' entered the vocabulary. source
2022-09-16 — the consent answer (interview, holz, forbes): rob salkowitz's ethics interview — the most-quoted holz on record: 'a big scrape of the internet,' no opt-out of training and none of being named in prompts, a corporate license for companies over $1m revenue. three months later petapixel resurfaced the quotes as a flashpoint; the studios now cite them in filings. source

"no. there isn't really a way to get a hundred million images and know where they're coming from." "the goal is to make humans more imaginative, not make imaginative machines."

2022 — the scale on record (interview, holz, mixed news): the scale disclosures: ~10 employees, 'several 100,000 customers,' ~10,000 servers, millions of images a day — self-reported, but the earliest numbers on record. source
2022-11-10 — the stratechery interview (interview, holz, stratechery): ben thompson's stratechery interview — generative ai, vr, silicon valley. paywalled; the contents are cataloged but not verified. source
2023-07-07 — the name, at waic (talk, holz, waic): the waic shanghai video talk — the name's origin in a favorite translation of zhuangzi (中道, 'mid-journey') and 'ai should be an extension of ourselves.' source

"we're actually mid journey… we come from this rich and beautiful past, and ahead of us is this wild and unimaginable… future."

2023-10-30 — the uist keynote (talk, holz, uist): 'a wide-ranging conversation with david holz' — the uist '23 keynote in san francisco, given the same day judge orrick largely dismissed the first andersen complaint. source
2021– — the wednesday office hours (talk, holz, midjourney discord): the near-weekly wednesday voice calls on the discord — the company's de facto disclosure channel and the reason no official transcript exists. the world-simulation roadmap, the stability ban, the sora 'good enough' verdict, the sims-as-final-medium line ('no hard distinction between creators and players'), and the disney-suit comment all surfaced here first, preserved only in community recaps.

"we're really trying to get to the world simulation. we're building 3d midjourney, video mj, & real-time mj where things move really really fast… people will make video games in it, people will shoot movies in it, but the goal is to build the open world sandbox." "there is 'good' and 'good enough'. i think there's nothing out there that is good enough… we will keep working on it until it's good enough." "i can't really discuss any ongoing legal things because the world isn't cool like that, but i think midjourney is going to be around for a very long time. i think everybody wants us to be around."

2025 — the isef return (video, holz, society for science): the society for science retrospective and a short student interview at regeneron isef 2025 — the isef-alum-to-trustee arc, and midjourney sponsoring the 'technology enhances the arts' award while the lawsuits pile up.

"raising money is very different than having a product that people are willing to pay for. in some ways, if people aren't willing to pay for it, is it really adding value?"

2026-03-29 — the 2026 information interview (interview, holz, the information): 'midjourney is profitable and chasing hardware dreams. but can it survive google?' — revenue 'significantly surpassed' $200m and still growing despite declining traffic; the hardware ambitions might force the first vc raise. paywalled — relayed via winbuzzer and texxr. source
2022 — the about page (document, lab, midjourney.com): the 2022 about page — eleven staff by first name, the advisor list (keller, friedman, rosedale, warner, crowson), ~40 volunteer moderators. today's version reads 'a community-funded research lab of 60 people… a lean, self-funded, distributed team.'

"independent research lab exploring new mediums of thought and expanding the imaginative powers of the human species"

2022– — the release notes (post, lab, midjourney updates): updates.midjourney.com — the company's de facto blog and the primary record for every model release from v6.1 through v8.2, the editor, rooms, patchwork, mjtv, and the 'secret hardware project' teaser. most posts carry the byline 'caleb.' source
2025-08-06 — the fair-use answer (document, lab, c.d. cal. filing): the answer to the disney/universal complaint — the company argues its own theory of training: extracting statistical information to understand concepts, the way a person learns by looking. 'many dozens' of the plaintiffs' own employees hold subscriptions; bob iger is quoted back at them. source

"limited monopoly… must give way to fair use"

2026-06-17 — midjourney medical (document, lab, midjourney.com): the midjourney medical announcement — the scanner (water-immersion ultrasound-ct, 40 butterfly modules, ~½mm detail), the 300 grant ave spa targeting end-2027, and the ambition claims: 50,000+ scanners by ~2031, 'a billion scans a month.' announcement confirmed; the claims are goals. source

controversies

2022– — the candor that became an exhibit: the consent candor — holz's on-record 'no' to artist consent and 'a big scrape of the internet' became the most-quoted founder statements in the whole training-data debate, then plaintiffs' exhibits in the andersen and disney filings. reaction: holz frames it as honesty about how everyone trains — 'something that 100% of people do'; artists and their lawyers read it as the confession. (sources: the consent answer, viral resurfacing of forbes quotes, holz quotes reused in complaint)
2018 — the anonymous quotes: the apple quotes — business insider's account of the collapsed leap motion deals quotes holz calling apple's technology 'sucked' and the company 'the devil,' all from anonymous employees. holz has never publicly confirmed them. reaction: the quotes do load-bearing work in every retelling of holz's anti-vc posture — they are marked reported, not confirmed, throughout this dossier. (sources: the apple acquisition talks, summary of bi reporting)

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Original source occurrences

verge-interview digest · 80.lv · 2022 (year) · original ID: src-ci-80lv-holz · Other public citations of this URL
verge-interview digest; cars/walking analogy verbatim
43-page response · news.artnet.com · 2025-08 (month) · original ID: src-ci-artnet-fairuse · Other public citations of this URL
43-page response; "cannot have it both ways"
hardware team launch · the-decoder.com · 2024 (year) · original ID: src-ci-decoder-orb · Other public citations of this URL
hardware team launch; "slow game engine"; 60fps worlds
ahmad abbas hire · the-decoder.com · 2024 (year) · original ID: src-ci-decoder-orb-hire · Other public citations of this URL
ahmad abbas hire; 3d-data-capture focus; jan 2024 discord mentions; "will make the orb"
the consent answer · forbes · 2022-09-16 (day) · original ID: src-ci-forbes-holz · Other public citations of this URL
consent "no"; "hundred million images"; "big scrape"; no opt-out
transformative-fair-use analysis · law.com · 2025-08-08 (day) · original ID: src-ci-lawcom-fairuse · Other public citations of this URL
transformative-fair-use analysis; meta/anthropic rulings context
sims/final-medium verbatim quotes · levelup.gitconnected.com · 2024 (year) · original ID: src-ci-levelup-sims · Other public citations of this URL
"sims"/final-medium verbatim quotes
limited monopoly…must give way to fair use verbatim · lightreading.com · 2025-08 (month) · original ID: src-ci-lightreading-mj-answer · Other public citations of this URL
"limited monopoly…must give way to fair use" verbatim
extended holz its just like an engine quote · mindmatters.ai · 2022-08-15 (day) · original ID: src-ci-mindmatters-holz · Other public citations of this URL
extended holz "it's just like an engine" quote
midjourney's answer · cdn.arstechnica.net · 2025-08-06 (day) · original ID: src-ci-mj-answer · Other public citations of this URL
fair use; "tens of millions of users"; plaintiffs' employees subscribe; iger quote
version 6.1 release notes · updates.midjourney.com · 2024-07-30 (day) · original ID: src-ci-mj-v61 · Other public citations of this URL
v6.1 release notes; default
turbo/relax, draft mode, roadmap · updates.midjourney.com · 2025-04-04 (day) · original ID: src-ci-mj-v7-alpha · Other public citations of this URL
turbo/relax, draft mode, roadmap
v8 alpha · updates.midjourney.com · 2026-03-17 (day) · original ID: src-ci-mj-v8-alpha · Other public citations of this URL
v8 alpha; --hd 2k; --q 4; new prompting
image-to-video · updates.midjourney.com · 2025-06-18 (day) · original ID: src-ci-mj-video-v1 · Other public citations of this URL
image-to-video; 8× cost; "25 times cheaper"; extend to ~21s
viral resurfacing of forbes quotes · petapixel.com · 2022-12-21 (day) · original ID: src-ci-petapixel-consent · Other public citations of this URL
viral resurfacing of forbes quotes; metadata rebuttals
waic remarks · news.qq.com · 2023-07-07 (day) · original ID: src-ci-qq-waic · Other public citations of this URL
waic remarks; name from 庄周/zhuang zhou; "extension of ourselves"
holz: significantly surpassed $200m, gone up despite traffic decline · texxr.com · 2026 (year) · original ID: src-ci-texxr-200m · Other public citations of this URL
holz: "significantly surpassed" $200m, "gone up" despite traffic decline
summary of bi reporting · 9to5mac.com · 2018-10-31 (day) · original ID: src-hp-9to5mac-apple-2018 · Other public citations of this URL
summary of bi reporting
notes 2022-09-07 office-hours recording · antoinebuteau.com · undated (unknown) · original ID: src-hp-antoinebuteau-holz · Other public citations of this URL
notes 2022-09-07 office-hours recording
holz office-hours response verbatim · seattletimes.com · 2025-06 (month) · original ID: src-hp-ap-holz-response-2025 · Other public citations of this URL
holz office-hours response verbatim
the apple acquisition talks · business insider · 2018-10-31 (day) · original ID: src-hp-bi-apple-leap-2018 · Other public citations of this URL
apple talks 2013 + spring 2018; $30–50m; "the devil"
holz 23, florida tinkerer, isef mic project · bloomberg · 2012-05-24 (day) · original ID: src-hp-bloomberg-holz-2012 · Other public citations of this URL
holz 23, florida tinkerer, isef mic project
second mirror of about page · cokeep.me · 2022 (year) · original ID: src-hp-cokeep-about-cache · Other public citations of this URL
second mirror of about page
banu güler cdo · medium · 2026-08-12 (day) · original ID: src-hp-enthusiastically-officehours-20260812 · Other public citations of this URL
banu güler cdo; duncan wilson web lead
advisors incl · everydev.ai · undated (unknown) · original ID: src-hp-everydev-midjourney · Other public citations of this URL
advisors incl. daniel gross; calloway ex-red hat
corroboration · thehindu.com · 2024-02-09 (day) · original ID: src-hp-hindu-abbas-2024 · Other public citations of this URL
corroboration
holz quotes reused in complaint · hollywoodreporter.com · 2025-06-11 (day) · original ID: src-hp-hollywoodreporter-disney-2025 · Other public citations of this URL
holz quotes reused in complaint
office-hours recap · imagine-weekly.com · 2024-10-24 (day) · original ID: src-hp-imagineweekly-officehours-20241023 · Other public citations of this URL
office-hours recap
founding story · inc. · 2013-06 (month) · original ID: src-hp-inc-leap-2013 · Other public citations of this URL
founding story; $45m raised; middle-school friends
head of consumer hardware · linkedin · undated (unknown) · original ID: src-hp-linkedin-abbas · Other public citations of this URL
head of consumer hardware
good enough quote re: sora · linkedin · 2024-03-27 (day) · original ID: src-hp-linkedin-sykes-officehours-20240327 · Other public citations of this URL
"good enough" quote re: sora
nat friedman advisor · littlesis.org · undated (unknown) · original ID: src-hp-littlesis-friedman · Other public citations of this URL
nat friedman advisor
the 2022 about page (cached) · honeycomb.eurom.pt · 2022 (year) · original ID: src-hp-midjourney-about-cache · Other public citations of this URL
11 staff, advisors, mods list (3rd-party cache)
community-funded research lab of 60 people · midjourney.com · 2026-09 (month) · original ID: src-hp-midjourney-home · Other public citations of this URL
"community-funded research lab of 60 people"
midjourney medical announcement · midjourney.com · 2026-06-17 (day) · original ID: src-hp-midjourney-medical-2026 · Other public citations of this URL
spa 2027; 50k scanners by 2031; fda path
in 10 years, an xbox that dreams · mixed-news.com · 2022 (year) · original ID: src-hp-mixednews-holz · Other public citations of this URL
100k+ customers, ~10k servers, ~10 employees
first secret hardware project 6/17 livestream · updates.midjourney.com · 2026-06-16 (day) · original ID: src-hp-mjupdates-hw-2026 · Other public citations of this URL
"first secret hardware project" 6/17 livestream
patchwork launch · updates.midjourney.com · 2024-12-11 (day) · original ID: src-hp-mjupdates-patchwork-2024 · Other public citations of this URL
patchwork launch
v7 default · updates.midjourney.com · 2025-06-17 (day) · original ID: src-hp-mjupdates-v7default-2025 · Other public citations of this URL
v7 default
holz at isef 2025 · youtube · 2025-06-01 (day) · original ID: src-hp-nathanma-isef-2025 · Other public citations of this URL
holz at isef 2025
english recap of name origin · officechai · undated (unknown) · original ID: src-hp-officechai-name · Other public citations of this URL
english recap of name origin
nick st · petapixel.com · 2024-03-08 (day) · original ID: src-hp-petapixel-stability-2024 · Other public citations of this URL
nick st. pierre relay
we're already profitable · theregister.com · 2022-08-01 (day) · original ID: src-hp-register-holz-2022 · Other public citations of this URL
"already profitable"; clip-guided diffusion; crowson
exec titles (reliability caveat) · rocketreach.co · undated (unknown) · original ID: src-hp-rocketreach-midjourney · Other public citations of this URL
exec titles (reliability caveat)
unc/nasa/max planck · societyforscience.org · undated (unknown) · original ID: src-hp-societyforscience-bio · Other public citations of this URL
unc/nasa/max planck; nlc 2020
isef alum interview · societyforscience.org · 2025 (year) · original ID: src-hp-societyforscience-holz · Other public citations of this URL
isef alum interview; teca; trustee
exists · stratechery · 2022-11-10 (day) · original ID: src-hp-stratechery-holz-2022 · Other public citations of this URL
exists; contents unverified
ocuspec $1 · techcrunch · 2011-06-10 (day) · original ID: src-hp-techcrunch-ocuspec-2011 · Other public citations of this URL
ocuspec $1.3m seed; bill warner angel
holz interview · the information · 2026-03-29 (day) · original ID: src-hp-theinformation-hw-2026 · Other public citations of this URL
holz interview; hardware/vc
max kreminski, storytelling lab · tomsguide.com · 2024-12-12 (day) · original ID: src-hp-tomsguide-patchwork-2024 · Other public citations of this URL
max kreminski, storytelling lab
world simulation office-hours quotes · tomsguide.com · 2024-03 (month) · original ID: src-hp-tomsguide-worldsim-2024 · Other public citations of this URL
"world simulation" office-hours quotes
uist 23 keynote · programs.sigchi.org · 2023-10-30 (day) · original ID: src-hp-uist-holz-2023 · Other public citations of this URL
uist '23 keynote
an engine for the imagination · the verge · 2022-08-02 (day) · original ID: src-hp-verge-holz-2022 · Other public citations of this URL
canonical holz interview; all verbatim quotes
scanner details · the verge · 2026-06 (month) · original ID: src-hp-verge-medical-2026 · Other public citations of this URL
scanner details; ~12 scanned; holz quotes
~$30m sale · the verge · 2019-05-30 (day) · original ID: src-hp-verge-ultraleap-2019 · Other public citations of this URL
~$30m sale; $306m peak; buckwald exits
topolsky interview · omny.fm · 2022 (year) · original ID: src-hp-whatfuture-holz-2022 · Other public citations of this URL
topolsky interview
ocuspec history, rounds, acquisition · wikipedia · 2026-09 (month) · original ID: src-hp-wikipedia-leapmotion · Other public citations of this URL
ocuspec history, rounds, acquisition
recap of information interview · winbuzzer.com · 2026-03-31 (day) · original ID: src-hp-winbuzzer-2026 · Other public citations of this URL
recap of information interview

Structured research records

david holz · midjourney-people

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michael buckwald · midjourney-people

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ahmad abbas · midjourney-people

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max kreminski · midjourney-people

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banu güler · midjourney-people

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duncan wilson · midjourney-people

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the 2022 roster · midjourney-people

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  "name": "the 2022 roster",
  "note": "the archived about page listed eleven full-time people: holz as executive; research & engineering as first names only — daniel, max, jack, thomas, red, sam, nadir, sebastian; legal & finance as max sills (legal advisor) and nadia ali. alongside them, ~40 volunteer discord moderators and guides listed by handle. the names are confirmed by the archived page; current roles are not.",
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the advisors · midjourney-people

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  "note": "the 2022 about page's advisor list: jim keller (lead silicon at apple, amd, tesla, intel; cto tenstorrent), nat friedman (ex-github ceo), philip rosedale (second life founder), bill warner (avid founder — and a 2011 ocuspec angel), and katherine crowson — the independent researcher whose clip-guided diffusion is the work holz says 'struck my eye' in 2021. everydev additionally lists daniel gross; weaker sourcing.",
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the aggregator roster · midjourney-people

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  "name": "the aggregator roster",
  "note": "rocketreach and everydev list current execs — nadia ali (coo), sharmeen chapp (cpo), tom calloway (vp special projects), alex matzner (vp operations), max sills (general counsel), bhavin patel (head of finance), brian kappus (technical director), keith caskey (principal mechanical engineer). aggregator data — reported, not verified; the org chart is one of this dossier's open gaps.",
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the community bench · midjourney-people

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  "name": "the community bench",
  "note": "non-employees who carry the news: nick st. pierre (@nickfloats), the evangelist whose relays first surfaced the stability ban; alie jules; and the recap writers — henrique centieiro, brian sykes, daniel reiser's imagine weekly, 'enthusiastically midjourney' weekly, paul delsignore. community coinage: 'miss journey,' the recurring default female face in early models.",
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the lab's own voice · midjourney-people

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  "note": "the company writes collectively — the about page's 'independent research lab' self-description, the updates-site release notes (named author of most posts: 'caleb'), the livestreamed reveals. institutional voice, not personal authorship.",
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aesthetic accelerationism · midjourney-themes
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bootstrap independence · midjourney-themes
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  "text": "bootstrap independence"
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co-imagining community · midjourney-themes
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  "text": "co-imagining community"
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engine for the imagination · midjourney-themes
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human infrastructure · midjourney-themes
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spatial computing · midjourney-themes
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the consent answer · midjourney-themes
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  "text": "the consent answer"
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```
the world-simulation bet · midjourney-themes
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  "text": "the world-simulation bet"
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the first profile · midjourney-writings · 2012-05-24 (day)

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  "summary": "'david holz's leap motion wants to kill the mouse' — the first national profile: holz 23, the florida tinkerer, the isef microphone project.",
  "themes": [
    "spatial computing"
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  "title": "the first profile",
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  "url": "https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2012-05-24/david-holzs-leap-motion-wants-to-kill-the-mouse",
  "venue": "bloomberg businessweek"
}

the leap founding story · midjourney-writings · 2013-06 (month)

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  "summary": "the inc. founding story — two 30-pound backpacks, a radio-shack prototype, and $45m raised for hand tracking.",
  "themes": [
    "spatial computing"
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  "title": "the leap founding story",
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  "url": "https://www.inc.com/magazine/201306/eric-markowitz/leap-motion-changing-the-way-we-use-computers.html",
  "venue": "inc."
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already profitable · midjourney-writings · 2022-08-01 (day)

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      "text": "we're like a self-funded research lab. we can lose some amount of money. we don't have like $100 million of somebody else's money to lose. to be honest, we're already profitable, and we're fine."
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  "summary": "the register's claburn gets the business model on record a week before open beta went wide — self-funded, already profitable, and a credit to katherine crowson's clip-guided diffusion as the work that caught his eye.",
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    "bootstrap independence",
    "engine for the imagination"
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  "title": "already profitable",
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  "url": "https://www.theregister.com/2022/08/01/david_holz_midjourney/",
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an engine for the imagination · midjourney-writings · 2022-08-02 (day)

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      "text": "cars are faster than humans, but that doesn't mean we stopped walking… we see this technology as an engine for the imagination."
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    {
      "sourceId": "src-hp-verge-holz-2022",
      "text": "people totally misunderstand what ai is. they see it as a tiger… water is dangerous, but it's also a driver of civilization… we're making surfboards rather than making water."
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      "sourceId": "src-hp-verge-holz-2022",
      "text": "in 10 years, you'll be able to buy an xbox with a giant ai processor, and all the games are dreams."
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  "venue": "the verge"
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how computers dream · midjourney-writings · 2022 (year)

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  "summary": "'how computers dream with david holz' — joshua topolsky's what future; the dreaming-machines frame before 'slop' entered the vocabulary.",
  "themes": [
    "engine for the imagination"
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  "title": "how computers dream",
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  "url": "https://omny.fm/shows/what-future/how-computers-dream-with-david-holz",
  "venue": "what future"
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the consent answer · midjourney-writings · 2022-09-16 (day)

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      "text": "no. there isn't really a way to get a hundred million images and know where they're coming from."
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      "sourceId": "src-ci-forbes-holz",
      "text": "the goal is to make humans more imaginative, not make imaginative machines."
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  "summary": "rob salkowitz's ethics interview — the most-quoted holz on record: 'a big scrape of the internet,' no opt-out of training and none of being named in prompts, a corporate license for companies over $1m revenue. three months later petapixel resurfaced the quotes as a flashpoint; the studios now cite them in filings.",
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    "engine for the imagination"
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  "title": "the consent answer",
  "traction": "plaintiffs' exhibit",
  "url": "https://www.forbes.com/sites/robsalkowitz/2022/09/16/midjourney-founder-david-holz-on-the-impact-of-ai-on-art-imagination-and-the-creative-economy/",
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the scale on record · midjourney-writings · 2022 (year)

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  "summary": "the scale disclosures: ~10 employees, 'several 100,000 customers,' ~10,000 servers, millions of images a day — self-reported, but the earliest numbers on record.",
  "themes": [
    "bootstrap independence"
  ],
  "title": "the scale on record",
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  "url": "https://mixed-news.com/en/midjourney-david-holz-interview/",
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the stratechery interview · midjourney-writings · 2022-11-10 (day)

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  "summary": "ben thompson's stratechery interview — generative ai, vr, silicon valley. paywalled; the contents are cataloged but not verified.",
  "themes": [
    "bootstrap independence"
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  "title": "the stratechery interview",
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  "url": "https://stratechery.com/2022/an-interview-with-midjourney-founder-david-holz-about-generative-ai-vr-and-silicon-valleys-latest-bubble/",
  "venue": "stratechery"
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the name, at waic · midjourney-writings · 2023-07-07 (day)

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    "engine for the imagination"
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the uist keynote · midjourney-writings · 2023-10-30 (day)

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  "summary": "'a wide-ranging conversation with david holz' — the uist '23 keynote in san francisco, given the same day judge orrick largely dismissed the first andersen complaint.",
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the wednesday office hours · midjourney-writings · 2021– (approximate)

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      "text": "we're really trying to get to the world simulation. we're building 3d midjourney, video mj, & real-time mj where things move really really fast… people will make video games in it, people will shoot movies in it, but the goal is to build the open world sandbox."
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      "text": "there is 'good' and 'good enough'. i think there's nothing out there that is good enough… we will keep working on it until it's good enough."
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      "sourceId": "src-hp-ap-holz-response-2025",
      "text": "i can't really discuss any ongoing legal things because the world isn't cool like that, but i think midjourney is going to be around for a very long time. i think everybody wants us to be around."
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  "summary": "the near-weekly wednesday voice calls on the discord — the company's de facto disclosure channel and the reason no official transcript exists. the world-simulation roadmap, the stability ban, the sora 'good enough' verdict, the sims-as-final-medium line ('no hard distinction between creators and players'), and the disney-suit comment all surfaced here first, preserved only in community recaps.",
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    "human infrastructure"
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  "title": "the wednesday office hours",
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  "venue": "midjourney discord"
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the isef return · midjourney-writings · 2025 (year)

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      "sourceId": "src-hp-societyforscience-holz",
      "text": "raising money is very different than having a product that people are willing to pay for. in some ways, if people aren't willing to pay for it, is it really adding value?"
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  "summary": "the society for science retrospective and a short student interview at regeneron isef 2025 — the isef-alum-to-trustee arc, and midjourney sponsoring the 'technology enhances the arts' award while the lawsuits pile up.",
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    "human infrastructure"
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the 2026 information interview · midjourney-writings · 2026-03-29 (day)

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  "summary": "'midjourney is profitable and chasing hardware dreams. but can it survive google?' — revenue 'significantly surpassed' $200m and still growing despite declining traffic; the hardware ambitions might force the first vc raise. paywalled — relayed via winbuzzer and texxr.",
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  "url": "https://www.theinformation.com/articles/midjourney-profitable-chasing-hardware-dreams-can-survive-google",
  "venue": "the information"
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the about page · midjourney-writings · 2022 (year)

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      "text": "independent research lab exploring new mediums of thought and expanding the imaginative powers of the human species"
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  "summary": "the 2022 about page — eleven staff by first name, the advisor list (keller, friedman, rosedale, warner, crowson), ~40 volunteer moderators. today's version reads 'a community-funded research lab of 60 people… a lean, self-funded, distributed team.'",
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    "bootstrap independence"
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the release notes · midjourney-writings · 2022– (approximate)

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  "summary": "updates.midjourney.com — the company's de facto blog and the primary record for every model release from v6.1 through v8.2, the editor, rooms, patchwork, mjtv, and the 'secret hardware project' teaser. most posts carry the byline 'caleb.'",
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    "co-imagining community"
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the fair-use answer · midjourney-writings · 2025-08-06 (day)

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      "text": "limited monopoly… must give way to fair use"
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  "venue": "c.d. cal. filing"
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midjourney medical · midjourney-writings · 2026-06-17 (day)

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  "themes": [
    "spatial computing",
    "the world-simulation bet"
  ],
  "title": "midjourney medical",
  "traction": "~30k livestream viewers",
  "url": "https://www.midjourney.com/medical",
  "venue": "midjourney.com"
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the candor that became an exhibit · people-controversies · 2022– (approximate)

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  "date": "2022–",
  "detail": "the consent candor — holz's on-record 'no' to artist consent and 'a big scrape of the internet' became the most-quoted founder statements in the whole training-data debate, then plaintiffs' exhibits in the andersen and disney filings.",
  "id": "cty-consent-candor",
  "reaction": "holz frames it as honesty about how everyone trains — 'something that 100% of people do'; artists and their lawyers read it as the confession.",
  "sourceIds": [
    "src-ci-forbes-holz",
    "src-ci-petapixel-consent",
    "src-hp-hollywoodreporter-disney-2025"
  ],
  "title": "the candor that became an exhibit"
}

the anonymous quotes · people-controversies · 2018 (year)

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  "date": "2018",
  "detail": "the apple quotes — business insider's account of the collapsed leap motion deals quotes holz calling apple's technology 'sucked' and the company 'the devil,' all from anonymous employees. holz has never publicly confirmed them.",
  "id": "cty-apple-quotes",
  "reaction": "the quotes do load-bearing work in every retelling of holz's anti-vc posture — they are marked reported, not confirmed, throughout this dossier.",
  "sourceIds": [
    "src-hp-bi-apple-leap-2018",
    "src-hp-9to5mac-apple-2018"
  ],
  "title": "the anonymous quotes"
}